Failures were more common in the 19, and by people shooting hot and fast 110125 grain magnum loads, which generate a lot more heat than a 158 grain magnum. I read a lot of people talking about cracked forcing cones but have only heard of it actually happening a few times. Apparently a little area on the bottom of the forcing cone is shaved off in order to make room for the cylinder pin and if shooting lots of magnum rounds or lightweight. Oct 31, 2016 the model 19 has a flat spot on the bottom of the forcing cone.
Milky7272, i have had experience with a model 19 that had a cracked forcing cone so what i am about to tell you should still be credible. What i dont understand is that you never see a broken one for sale. I owned a model 19 that cracked the forcing cone from the use of hot 125 gr loads. If the forcing cone cracks, the revolver is basically a parts gun. Unfortunately, people have massively over simplified the issue and blame 125 gr bullets when they are not the major cause of the problem with forcing cone erosion and forcing cone cracks in k frames with high rounds counts of. From what your indicating i think this is do to round count. That should help with the reported problems the model 19s is. The model 19 developed a history of cracked forcing cones, usually occurring at the 6. May 04, 2018 the model 19 classic is designed to replicate the original, while the new performance center model 19 carry comp features modern revolver innovation and design for todays shooters. First off i am sorry that your 19 developed a crack in the forcing cone.
I owned a model 19 that cracked the forcing cone from the use of hot 125 gr. Have read that barrels for m19 are not available anymore due to the cracked forcing cone issue. Kframe left size requires that the bottom of the forcing cone have a flat milled on it to allow clearance for the frame yoke. I must have 3000 rounds through it and not a sign of battering or cracking. My beloved sw model 19 357 developed a cracked forcing cone yesterday. I need a replacement barrel for my smith and wesson model 193. For example all the weak parts of the design are in fact much beefier than the j frames, which are also in 357 and often used with 125 grainers. As much as i like my model 19s and they are 357 magnums i dont shoot 357 magnums. Also, i have only seen a model 19 with those squared front sights one other time. The first one shows the forcing cone, end of the barrel where the flat cut on the old model 19s66s used to be. It was there to provide clearance between the barrel and the cylinder gas shield. The forcing cone in my first one was severly eroded from a steady diet of.
The model 66 seems to hold up better and i own one of those now. Cleaning my 6 stainless gp100 a few days ago and noticed that the forcing cone was. I have read up on the forcing cone cracking issue, but am not sure what to make of it really. A buddy of mine recently bought himself a model 66, 4 inch. Cleaning my 6 stainless gp100 a few days ago and noticed that the forcing cone was cracked. And as far as the forcing cones are concerned, ive never found out why. A cracked forcing cone means the demise of a fine gun. Aug 05, 2006 smith and wesson later concurred with this opinion. Smith and wessons customer service is great but i have heard that barrels for the model 19 are no longer available. I cant prove that they were caused by use of a particular type of ammunition, but ive decided not to use the light bullet. Not for any other reason except that is my 38 cal bullet of choice.
The model 19 had a flat spot on the bottom of the barrel beneath the forcing cone directly in front of the cylinder. The performance center model 19 carry comp shortens the barrel. The gun dealer also had a matching nickel lnib 2 12. The cracked forcing cone problem was very limited in numbers, but it did happen. The most burning question about the new new model 19 that i have is whether the new design is more resistant to forcing cone erosion from consistent use of the 357.
In 38 years of shooting,carrying, buying, and examining kframe magnums, ive yet to see a cracked forcing cone, in person. Ive heard the same about not using the lighter weight, higher velocity rounds in the model 19 for the same reasons forcing cone cracking. If youre interested in how this happened, then please read below. Ive seen a couple of cracked forcing cones on model 19s. Nice clean barrel with a bad crack that renders it useless without careful gunsmith rework. Jul 05, 2012 just a quick video about how to widen the cylinder gap on a revolver, whether it came from the factory that way taurusrossi is notorious for this, or whether you need to get it in spec after. Forcing cone erosion using a steady diet of hot 357 magnum loads using a 125gr or lighter bullet isnt just limited to the smith k frames. You should call them and see what they have to say. The model 19 has a flat spot on the bottom of the forcing cone. Rightly or wrongly, these loads became associated with cracked forcing cones. Jun 30, 2007 the regrettable thing is no more model 19 barrels are available, anywhere. Just a quick video about how to widen the cylinder gap on a revolver, whether it came from the factory that way taurusrossi is notorious for this, or whether you need to get it in spec after. Smith and wesson later concurred with this opinion.
I am the original owner of this pistol, having been given to me in high school about 1982, its a model 194. My biggest regret is when i bought my nickel 6 model 19 with target grips, hammer, etc. Because of the higher speed of the lighter bullets they were hard on the forcing cones of these revolvers. What happens to all of the model 19s with cracked forcing cones. The model 19 developed a history of cracked forcing cones, usually occurring at. If you do a search on the internet it shows multiple threads about model 19s having cracked forcing cones. May 06, 2018 the cracked forcing cone problem was very limited in numbers, but it did happen.
It was absolutely pristine, a pinned and recessed masterpiece with a nickel finish. I admit i do not shoot a lot of magnum rounds through it. To the opi probably put 4500 rounds of fullpower, 125gr. Research on the internet says this happened from 125 gr bullets wich is what i was shooting at the time. Not a problem if you shoot heavier bullets stick with 158 grain bullets and there is no problem. The result was the l frame series which has a bigger barrel. As to carrying the 66 vs the 686, id go with the 66. I am the original owner of this pistol, having been given to me in high school about 1982, its a model 19 4. I havent seen it yet and not sure about the 34 after the 19. Some may say otherwise, but ive seen dept kframes damaged like that. M19 or m66 where theyd crack at the bottom of the forcing cone if you ran. Until last year when a local member of this board had the forcing cone crack on his 19, id not seen one of those either. Hello i have heard that too, but i have heard that the forcing cone s can be cracked by using the 125 grain hollow point bullets on the model 19 s due to the lighter weight of the bullet it slams into the forcing cone with such force that it actually mushrooms the slug before entering the internal bore.
When the hot light bullets loads came out and the police started using full loads for qualifing and practice, the problems really showed up. The bottom of the forcing cone has a flat spot across the bottom of it. I would like to buy a replacement for it, but i have no idea where to buy one, or if anyone makes one. The downside was that the forcing cone is subject to a great deal of. This came up on another site, and somebody mentioned that this was a problem unique to the model 19, not the stainless 66. Firearm discussion and resources from ar15, ak47, handguns and more. It cracked again after abt 1500 rounds, but a much smaller crack, which does not impede the function of the gun. Cracked forcing cone the firearms forum the buying. Originally posted by sniper5 ok, heres the picture. There are several factors involved, but the primary culprit is the powder used.
The lighter bullets are traveling faster and hitting the forcing cone harder cracking the cone it is a fairly. There may be a kernel of truth to what the smith says but im convinced that the internet has blown any cracked forcing cone issues way out of proportion in recent years. Hotter rounds were developed using 125gr ammo which over time could cause a cracked forcing cone. Both were extremely popular police sidearms through the last few decades of the 20th century.
This is a discussion on cracked forcing cone on gp100. This created a weak spot and was where the majority of the cracks occurred. The regrettable thing is no more model 19 barrels are available, anywhere. I have seen exactly one model 19 with a cracked forcing cone. It has a flat spot milled into it, which thinned the metal at that location. He retimed it twice before frame stretching took its toll. It was a 19 3 nickel gun with a 4 barrel and was in my gunsmiths shop for a rebarrel job. When they introduced the new model 19 9 i thought id break that streak. The intent was that they would be shot mostly with. He said he wore out a model 19 by shooting about 2,000 hot magnum rounds through it. Oct 14, 2019 problems started to surface with the model 19s when the 125 gr. There was a good article in handloader a few years ago regarding model 19s and cracked forcing cones.
The cracks occur much more frequently with 125 grain. It was a 193 nickel gun with a 4 barrel and was in my gunsmiths shop for a rebarrel job. Supposition has it that the stainless model 66 didnt have a problem, and that using a lewis lead remover from brownells to keep the forcing cone clean goes a long. According to forum such cases are handled quick and painless in usa by ruger. The cone as clearly cracked and showed signs of lots of use. The current theory on the cracked forcing cone k frames is that the problem was mostly limited to the model 19, and that the guns that were cracked had badly fouled forcing cones. Problems started to surface with the model 19s when the 125 gr. Some years back, a former member posted that he had seen a model with a cracked forcing cone, from extended use of 125 grain 357s. I have never read anything about model 10s, 64s,67s, etc. I personally know of a ruger blackhawk that had a steady diet of those hot lots, its on its 3rd barrel. Cracked forcing cone page 2 the firearms forum the.
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